Comments on: Thinking Beyond Conventional http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/ ... is aware of the internet. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:32:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Clinton for President: One Blogger’s Case · New York Articles http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2235 Clinton for President: One Blogger’s Case · New York Articles Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:19 +0000 http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2235 [...] Matt Ortega - a blogger I really respect - rejects my arguments here in detail. Please read the whole post and [...] [...] Matt Ortega - a blogger I really respect - rejects my arguments here in detail. Please read the whole post and [...]

]]> By: Canaan http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2109 Canaan Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:04:47 +0000 http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2109 Hi Matt, On DOMA: I was at a gay event for Senator Clinton just last night. The assembly sponsor of the NY gay marriage bill (Dan O'Donnell) spoke passionately on behalf of Hillary. Christine Quinn (the openly lesbian Speaker of the New York City Council) supported Clinton at Abyssian Baptist Church two weeks ago. So its misleading to only cite the guy from ESPA. Speaking as the better half of the world's most famous marriage, Clinton denounced the Federal Marriage Amendment in the Senate, which was much more dangerous to gays than DOMA. John Edwards' hyper-militant speech about Iran before the Israeli Security Conference at Herzliya leaves him with no credibility on the subject of flip-flopping. I don't see how any anti-war activist can reconcile those remarks. Edwards was more belligerent than Netanyahu. It would be one thing if Edwards apologized for his Iraq vote and left it at that, but he is campaigning on his apology, which again leaves him with little credibility. Finally, I can't imagine Obama or Edwards beating Giuliani in New York State, and I don't see how a Dem wins without New York. Hillary outpolls 'the Hero of 911' on terrorism in NY, she has built her retail game upstate, and she has the inside game to block Rudy's vote suppression in Harlem. She's not the type to lose her homestate in an election. Neither is Rudy. He's extremely well connected with the Archdiocese and NYPD, has a strong Jewish base in the city, knows how to suppress black votes, wins NYC against any other candidate except Hillary, runs even stronger upstate than in the city. I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Obama can beat Rudy in NY is dreaming. Just like people who thought pro-choice was going to stop him. Hi Matt,

On DOMA: I was at a gay event for Senator Clinton just last night. The assembly sponsor of the NY gay marriage bill (Dan O’Donnell) spoke passionately on behalf of Hillary. Christine Quinn (the openly lesbian Speaker of the New York City Council) supported Clinton at Abyssian Baptist Church two weeks ago. So its misleading to only cite the guy from ESPA. Speaking as the better half of the world’s most famous marriage, Clinton denounced the Federal Marriage Amendment in the Senate, which was much more dangerous to gays than DOMA.

John Edwards’ hyper-militant speech about Iran before the Israeli Security Conference at Herzliya leaves him with no credibility on the subject of flip-flopping. I don’t see how any anti-war activist can reconcile those remarks. Edwards was more belligerent than Netanyahu. It would be one thing if Edwards apologized for his Iraq vote and left it at that, but he is campaigning on his apology, which again leaves him with little credibility.

Finally, I can’t imagine Obama or Edwards beating Giuliani in New York State, and I don’t see how a Dem wins without New York. Hillary outpolls ‘the Hero of 911′ on terrorism in NY, she has built her retail game upstate, and she has the inside game to block Rudy’s vote suppression in Harlem. She’s not the type to lose her homestate in an election.

Neither is Rudy. He’s extremely well connected with the Archdiocese and NYPD, has a strong Jewish base in the city, knows how to suppress black votes, wins NYC against any other candidate except Hillary, runs even stronger upstate than in the city. I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks Obama can beat Rudy in NY is dreaming. Just like people who thought pro-choice was going to stop him.

]]> By: Nick Maines http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2013 Nick Maines Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:50:14 +0000 http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2013 How can you say without flying in the face of facts that Senator Clinton is using double talk. In the post you use quotes from another blogger who aptly points out that she is a progressive who throws in realism to make her stands. There are times when there is a difference between what you want to do. It is called reality. Obama and Edwards do not have the experience or the fortitude necessary to take on the republicans in a general election. Sen. Obama has never had a real opponent and when he was first faced with criticism he outcried the vast conspiracy against him. With Clinton, they have decried, defamed, and drug her name through the mud for a long time now she is used to the Republican mud machine, appearantly Edwards thinks that he can win by using Swift Boat tactics that were used against him and Sen. John Kerry. It is essential that we have Sen. Clinton as our nominee. She is the only one that can lead on Jan 20,2009. That should be the standard we should be using. We need to pick who would be the best president not the best candidate. With that measure there is only one answer Sen. Hilary Rodham Clinton. How can you say without flying in the face of facts that Senator Clinton is using double talk. In the post you use quotes from another blogger who aptly points out that she is a progressive who throws in realism to make her stands. There are times when there is a difference between what you want to do. It is called reality. Obama and Edwards do not have the experience or the fortitude necessary to take on the republicans in a general election. Sen. Obama has never had a real opponent and when he was first faced with criticism he outcried the vast conspiracy against him. With Clinton, they have decried, defamed, and drug her name through the mud for a long time now she is used to the Republican mud machine, appearantly Edwards thinks that he can win by using Swift Boat tactics that were used against him and Sen. John Kerry. It is essential that we have Sen. Clinton as our nominee. She is the only one that can lead on Jan 20,2009. That should be the standard we should be using. We need to pick who would be the best president not the best candidate. With that measure there is only one answer Sen. Hilary Rodham Clinton.

]]> By: sarah http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2011 sarah Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:24:48 +0000 http://mattortega.com/2007/11/05/thinking-beyond-conventional/#comment-2011 wow - this is well stated and perfectly researched wow - this is well stated and perfectly researched

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